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Sep. 5th, 2003 10:56 am
jlh: Chibi of me in an apron with a cocktail glass and shaker. (pumpkin bandwagon)
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Spent fairly comatose day at work. Watched Moony have fun with animated smilies. Then went to Brooklyn to celebrate the end of Jaida's summer and proceeded to stay up until 2:30am talking about classical music and popular culture and lots of other things with Cyg and Ali. Cassie and Josh back tonight. Rene and Las here tomorrow. Cyg gone Monday, *sob*.


You know, we all hate unexpected change, and none of us pay as much attention to the LJ news page as we probably should. Now that everyone who hates the new format knows how to change their page back, a few comments.

I love it! I love the blue, I love the elegance. I love that the menu is at the top and not the side, so it doesn't take up as much real estate on the page; I have a laptop at home and don't have a vast screen. (And before you say it, if you saw my apartment you would know that I have a laptop because there is no flat surface that could accomodate a desktop computer, nor any room for a desk. As Alex always says, it is bijou.)

Anyway, I always found the old menu bar difficult to naviagate with a lot of links I never used and not links I did use. For example, to edit your friends groups you had to go to the View Friends Filter and then click on yet another link there. Does this make sense to anyone, because it took me forever to figure that out and unlike, say, our Josh, I do not memorize tricky urls. Now we have a "manage" page that I am totally in love with. LOVE.

As for the new style system and not being able to see the menus when in comment view: I like that my actual style is kept when in comment view. You only have to go back once to the "success" page, or click user info on the comment page, to get to the menus anyway. I hated that you would be on someone's very pretty LJ, and then as soon as you clicked on an lj-cut, or a comment link, BAM you were yanked out of their style and into the LJ style. It was jarring. This furthers the feel that you are in, say, ALI's space, ALI's journal, rather than just another page on the LJ site.

The ONLY things I'll say about S2 is that I miss the clever little names people made for the leaving a comment text, and I'm not used to the icons quite yet. I like them, but I can't remember which is which. But I'm sure I'll get used to them. I don't like that the mood of the entry carries onto the reply to someone else's comment; it's distracting. I also didn't like at first that my default icon was always in the upper right hand corner (though I'm pretty sure I remember how to change it) but now I like it. As an RPGer, I like the visual reminder of how I am logged in. Saves mistakes.


And now your (not so very) cryptic comment for the day: Clearly I have no problem with people having ship preferences, or even promoting a ship or shipping one ship exclusively and fervently. What I DO have a problem with is promoting one's ship preferences under the guise of canon accuracy. With very few exceptions (married couples, maybe Bill/Fleur, Percy/Penny for a while), ALL ships are a matter of interpretation. Only future ships of people who are now dead are out of the question. When you do such, you only give your own ship a bad name.

(I know, I know, spoken like a slasher-at-heart, a non-canon shipper, but come on. Until there is a kiss, it ain't a canon ship.)

Date: 2003-09-05 08:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adjudicated.livejournal.com
Er...was this about my comments yesterday? Because I'm happy to clarify (I know, I know . . . I'm a fucking retard to leave a three sentence, tetchy blanket statement on my LJ. . . .)

If you are referring to my comments, well there's a lot more to them! Perhaps you are NOT referring to me, but a few others have taken issue with what I said.

Anyhow, let me know. For me, it's not at all that I don't like slash . . . I love reading slash . . . it's, well. Complicated I guess.

Date: 2003-09-05 08:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com
Oh my god, NO! It's about the submission rules at SQ. HAHAHAHA. A thousand times, NO!

SQ is saying that they will accept R/Hr and not H/Hr because R/Hr is canon and H/Hr is contradicted by canon. Ooooh, yeah. Whatever.

Also, you'll never see a knee-jerk defense of H/D here. I like H/D but neither ship it nor write it, and it has plenty of defenders. In fact, except for a very few things, I stopped reading it a year ago because I found that I just didn't care about it enough to drown in a sea of it. So, I'm with you, sister.

Date: 2003-09-05 09:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adjudicated.livejournal.com
HAHAHAHA! Well, I feel rather silly now, but it's good to know.

And dude. DO NOT get me started on the SQ. DO NOT. Am there with you, a thousand times over. I've wanked openly about the SQ shipping policies at the SQ several times.

*sniggers* I've thought of submitting Muggle Studies to the SQ, because it's a D/P fic, with R/Hr in the background; I rather think they would cringe in horror, but I'd argue that D/P is as canonically indicated as R/Hr.

Personally, I got more of a potential H/Hr vibe from OotP. I was shocked that R/Hr didn't become a canon reality --- I was fully expecting it to manifest. Fully.



Date: 2003-09-05 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiatincantatum.livejournal.com
I like that my actual style is kept when in comment view. You only have to go back once to the "success" page, or click user info on the comment page, to get to the menus anyway. I hated that you would be on someone's very pretty LJ, and then as soon as you clicked on an lj-cut, or a comment link, BAM you were yanked out of their style and into the LJ style.

I absolutely DESPISE this feature. They could double their price and it would not infuriate me the way that feature does. It's the single suckiest thing they've ever done. Ever.

Why? Because there's no way turn it off! For everyone who has trouble seeing, LiveJournal has just rendered everyone's comment pages totally inaccessible. I've been lobbying for LiveJournal to allow us a setting that says we don't want to see other people's styles for comments. Hasn't happened yet. Currently, the setting is for each individual journal you visit, not a global setting. GAH!

I'm sick of wading through impossible color combinations and attempts at guessing which-the-fuck button is the "comment" button. The hideous color/font/style/background combinations that some people use are absolutely impossible to read and most of them make my eyes bleed. That, or they're so fucking bland and uniform that it's impossible to read anything on the page. I read people's journals from my friends page, because it's set up with colors I can tolerate and to go from my nice, accessible page to someone else's monstrosity in order to attempt to read the comments is really *nasty*. You can't read the text, it's impossible to tell which comment is a response to other comments, almost every style I've seen is BUTT-UGLY and confusing and they're all different. I have my journal set to kick to the LiveJournal skin for the comments page so that people can read it, because this whole journal thing is about the communication, not the interior decorating.

Hate it. HATE IT. My poor abused eyes. How I wish that everyone would set their journal so that we see the default LJ skin when we go to the comments page...alas.

Wah.

Date: 2003-09-05 09:26 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] owlman.livejournal.com
The good news is that this seems to be something that is in the pipeline (http://www.livejournal.com/community/lj_test/5378.html). How long till this actually makes it through the system I do not know, but would guess as a few months.

There are far too many comments pages that leave me wondering how the fuck people actually read their own journals. Individual style is good, but it has to be clear to serve its full purpose.

Date: 2003-09-05 09:30 am (UTC)
phoenixsong: An orange bird with red, orange and yellow wings outstretched, in front of a red heart. (Default)
From: [personal profile] phoenixsong
Nevermind, what Simon said. *points up*

Date: 2003-09-05 09:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fiatincantatum.livejournal.com
Thank goodness. I wrote a "begging" post in the news thread today and I've posted complaints about the problem before, so hopefully they will realize it's a fairly urgent issue for some of us...and I agree, I can't imagine how some people read their journals. Miniscule hot magenta and electric blue type floating over a black background...or worse, with a cartoon of some big-eyed waif underneath the text, which interferes with it to the point of illegibility...*shakes head*

Date: 2003-09-05 09:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kay-taylor.livejournal.com
I feel the need to take up the Bill/Fleur thing, because I'm a contrary person and it threatens my OTP!!!1111one<3333 which, as we all know, is Bill/Charlie and therefore the one true canon. Heh.

In my memory (I don't have the books to hand), the Bill/Fleur evidence is on her eyeing Bill up near the end of GoF, and then Fred and George referring (sniggering, I believe) to the giving of French lessons. I suspect that this could be a matter of interpretation, with Fred and George merely teasing their older brother for the sake of it; I don't think it's conclusive for Bill/Fleur. Which is why I was so pleased on re-reading your entry to find that you said 'maybe', as it's certainly not on the same level of proof as, say, Percy/Penny or Cho/Cedric.

And the new style system is <3! as far as I'm concerned. <3, I say.

Date: 2003-09-05 09:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acadine.livejournal.com
And now your (not so very) cryptic comment for the day: Clearly I have no problem with people having ship preferences, or even promoting a ship or shipping one ship exclusively and fervently. What I DO have a problem with is promoting one's ship preferences under the guise of canon accuracy. With very few exceptions (married couples, maybe Bill/Fleur, Percy/Penny for a while), ALL ships are a matter of interpretation. Only future ships of people who are now dead are out of the question. When you do such, you only give your own ship a bad name.

A world of word.

Date: 2003-09-05 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com
I completely agree. I think the problem with Bill/Fleur is that we know there is so much going on there that we never see. But there is interaction in OotP, both actual and implied. So it's a big "maybe". Besides, Charlie is on the continent and can't be with Bill anyway. ^_~

Funny thing is, after OotP I'm not so sure about Cho/Cedric being all that much of a real ship. Maybe he did simply ask her first, rather then their having been an established couple which I think was my vague assumption.

Date: 2003-09-05 10:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kay-taylor.livejournal.com
Charlie is on the continent and can't be with Bill anyway. ^_~

FLOO POWDER!!!

<3!

Date: 2003-09-05 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pinkfinity.livejournal.com
Only future ships of people who are now dead are out of the question.

Fine! Dash the hopes of all the Bloody Baron/Peeves and Nick/Grey Lady shippers out there! Be that way!

It's Friday, that's my only excuse

Date: 2003-09-05 10:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sisterpandora.livejournal.com
What I DO have a problem with is promoting one's ship preferences under the guise of canon accuracy.

Why whatever do you mean? Snape/Flich is so canon it hurts! It there is no other Snape-ship!

Date: 2003-09-06 07:22 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] owlman.livejournal.com
It may be worth reading this (http://www.livejournal.com/community/lj_nifty/81601.html) post. It is possible to overwrite the comments link. I have just set this up on my friends page (I use a custom S1 style) and it works. At least plain commenting and reading a few comments would be using the default LJ layout. However if you click to reply to anyone else's comment or read a nested thread then you return to the person's comment system, but it is better than nothing.

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