OotP 4

Jun. 28th, 2003 07:54 pm
jlh: Chibi of me in an apron with a cocktail glass and shaker. (Clio Timeless)
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I stayed home today to get things done. I wanted to work on the SBRL FQF fic. I wanted to work on the sequel. Instead, I did fuck-all except wash dishes. I RP'd, so I suppose that was good. *sigh* Must crack the whip tomorrow, then.

Oh, god, here's where I start to get knots in my stomach again, and feel that sort of helplessness. I listen to Harry screaming and yelling at Ron and Hermione and I think, man, it is not going to get any better, either. His shouting should feel like a release, but it just doesn't—not to the reader and not to Harry. That overwhelming sense of anger and frustration--and Ron and Hermione just standing there and taking it, and not knowing what to do, and not having any idea in the world what he's actually talking about. When Harry was younger, he gravitated toward those with families because he wanted one himself, but now I think he feels a little distant from all those Weasleys who, at the end of the day, still have each other. And at this point, I doubt he thinks he really has anyone except Sirius.

And he's beginning to realize how much he doesn't have Dumbledore, how everyone else just does as he says because he's Dumbledore, and Harry? Harry isn't liking that much, isn't liking how willing they all are to trust Dumbledore and not him, to throw him to whatever fate he faces at 4 Privet Drive and be too concerned because hey, Dumbledore asked them to. That's a lot of power for one man, to keep a mother hen like Molly and a guard dog like Sirius from getting to Harry.

Fred and George, sort of inappropriately dismissing Harry. I'm sure they think it's funny but I . . . just . . . don't.

Interesting that Percy, like some Soviet Apparatchik, has decided that his loyalty lies with the Ministry. Not his family, not Dumbledore, not even a particular boss, but the machine itself. I suppose that means that he'll swing with the Ministry in book 6, but what is he truly up to? Banality of evil indeed. I also see some vague parallel to Kreacher, to Snape—someone who feels that they weren't treated well and thinks this fact justifies all their later actions. Note that Harry may rail and get angry, but he won't go that far. (I hope.)

Right, so. Ginny. Wow. You know, I had always said that you see a flash of Ginny in GoF, in The Unexpected Task, and I was right. She knows how to get away with things, how to take advantage of her mother, she lies with a straight face, and please, she made a noise like an angry cat. This girl is really cool. Okay, so she's essentially a third twin at this point, but she's still young. Hurrah for JKR.

And no, no shippiness. None. He's far too pissed off.

And then when Harry is ready to descend into complete and total confusion, and Tonks causes cacophony in the hall, who comes flying in to put an angry end to it?

Sirius.

Date: 2003-06-28 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
Fred and George, sort of inappropriately dismissing Harry. I'm sure they think it's funny but I . . . just . . . don't.

I didn't think it was funny but I thought it was pretty called for. They's kind of like the sort of people who go, "Woah, drama queen much?" and make drama queen stop and rethink their actions or something. Well, they definitely handled Harry better than Ron and Hermione could.

Date: 2003-06-28 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com
I want to agree, it's probably more reasonable to agree, but I don't. Harry is angry and for good reason, and all Ron and Hermione keep saying to him is, "But Dumbledore said." Maybe I'm too aware of his frustration, but I don't think he was being a drama queen at all. Far from it. For the nearly two months since The Third Task he's been a good boy and kept his mouth shut and done as he was told, and all he's got for it is a near-throttling from his uncle and a pair of dementors sicced on him. And all Hermione seems to care about is his hearing, and all the twins care about is listening in on the meeting. I actually don't think, at that moment, that what Harry needed was to shut up; what he needed was to be heard, because no one, not even his friends, had listened to him or taken his concerns seriously for months.

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Date: 2003-06-28 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
I totally agree that Harry should be heard and that he's got the right to be pissed, but I think he's venting it on the wrong people. Hermione has always been very practical-minded and goal-driven, the twins don't take anything seriously and Ron is just clueless and overwhelmed. Harry should be shouting at Dumbledore, or even the adults who had more authority to do something for him. Dumbledore is like God to the children so I don't really blame them for listening to him.

Date: 2003-06-28 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com
Oh, no, I don't blame them at all for listening to him. And yes, Harry would get more action from shouting at someone who could actually change the situation.

But there is something to be said for Ron and Hermione's complete inability to comprehend his situation. All they do when he arrives is say, hurrah! you're here! and then they're on to the next thing. They've sent him endless letters about all this work they're doing—which turns out to just be cleaning the house, and seems needlessly tantilizing to write in a letter—and now he's there, and they say, oh, right, I'm sure you're frustrated. And he's well past that, and they just don't see it, because they need him to keep sucking it up, too. I just don't sense that they are all that concerned for him or his feelings or his situation or are very empathetic to him, at that moment, and since they're all he has, I think he has a right to be angry at them as well.

Date: 2003-06-28 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
I think Hermione was particularly insensitive towards Harry. I mean, for someone who said Ron has the emotional range of a teaspoon, she's not any better. And she was the one who said she knew Harry would be angry, so why wasn't she doing anything about it?

As for the letters they sent Harry, <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/users/altricial/231631.html?thread=2212047>this</a> is what I thought of it. I thought of c/ping everything here but it's going to take up like 4 comments, haha. :D

Date: 2003-06-28 06:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] altricial.livejournal.com
Behold! My inability at closing html tags!

Date: 2003-06-30 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com
I am sore afraid!

Well, as you might imagine, I think I'm landing much closer to Rach than to you here. But what a great debate! Thanks for linking!

Date: 2003-06-29 11:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marysiak.livejournal.com
We don't get to see the actual letters, only hear a few quotes and Harry's opinion of them. Hermione and Ron might not be being the most sensitive people in the whole world but they are just kids too and they are never really going to get how Harry feels as his life is too completely different from their own. Plus Harry has never been the most emotionally open, they probably have the false impression that he can handle anything because he always seems to have before. I don't blame him for yelling but I don't think Ron and Hermione really deserved it and I think the twins trying to deflect it was the right thing to do at the time, maybe not for Harry but for everyone else involved.

Date: 2003-06-29 11:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marysiak.livejournal.com
Maybe, but he was yelling at the wrong people. Taking out his anger on Ron and Hermione isn't fair because it is the adults he needs to communicate this to not them and it is them he should be angry with.

Date: 2003-06-29 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marysiak.livejournal.com
I agree. As Clio pointed out yelling didn't seem to actually be making Harry feel any better and Ron and Hermione's approach of being scared shitless sure wasn't working. I don't think they were dismissing him so much as being kind of adult about it, which is rare for them. Harry was getting out of control, when a child does that you can't indulge them you need to shake them out of it by refusing to accept it as a valid way of communicating. On the other hand maybe they were just being selfish pricks but happened to hit on the right response out of sheer luck. Which is entirely possible.

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