Do we really need another reason to be paranoid around here?

[jlh]

When I was first in the fandom, back in 2002, there was a LOT of backstabbing ridiculousness. It was like a palace intrigue: who said what to whom and in what context, etc, etc, etc. Chat transcripts were emailed freely, as were screen grabs or other copies of locked posts. If you made a big crazy locked post about how much you hated someone, it would get out, usually because someone you had locked it to would leak it. So if you didn't realize that people have you friended for political, gossipy or other pointless reasons then you just haven't been paying attention.

This is probably why I wasn't that much up in arms about that hate thread. Not only had we had one of those threads before, and not only was there absolutely nothing new said about anyone (the most recent thing anyone could think of to say about CC was the Nimbus picture thing and hello, that was 18 months ago) but it was just so typical and in some ways seemed less upsetting than chatting with people and wondering who they were going to share the transcript with.

I have a personal journal which I created because I wanted to separate my RL from my fandom life and because I didn't want a lot of locked entries on jlh. And in fact, since I created that journal a year ago, I've locked only 4 posts that weren't plot things for my betas. And I went back in my journal and made nearly all of the locked posts visible only to the people on my personal journal, or even smaller. That isn't to say that I only trust the people on my personal journal; I also have a slightly larger custom filter for the locked posts I've made on this journal since then.

So if I have you friended, and you join frienditto, it probably won't make much difference. I think frienditto is pretty obnoxious, and while in some ways it isn't more than the way that things would float around in emails back in the day, it is certainly more public. It's one thing for you to take my post and show it to your friend, and another thing for it to be seen by God and everyone.

Please, if I have you friended and you are planning to use this service, let me know. I think it's only polite.

I'm seeing an interesting link between the people who like to be very exclusive in their online life, who are making threats about frienditto as opposed to requests, who made those post-hate thread threats about defriending everyone who didn't make a public denunciation of the originator according to their specifications. If you are that concerned about who you can or cannot trust, perhaps you shouldn't have so many people friended. And if you want to be that exclusive in your online life, then don't be surprised at the charges of "inner circle" we keep hearing, because it's true, anyway.

In other news, I'm excited because I just found out that there will be a real use for the extra phone I have! A good friend needs a new phone and can't afford one, so I know it will have a good home, and now I feel a little better about having been so impatient.

Comments

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

I loooove youuuuuuu Cliooooooooooooooooo.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

awww! ^_^ Love you too!

It's just so frustrating. I find the paranoia and the sense of entitlement baffling. The thing about online life is that there are tools you can use to make your experience closer to how you want it to be, but there are those who refuse to use them on "principle" and think they're dishonest. They'd rather be a martyr so they can sit around and wibble about how mean people are.

Well, people are mean. I don't like it, either, and frankly I don't understand the appeal, but it's so. I mean, I shouldn't have to look both ways before crossing the street if I'm crossing with the light, but I sure do.

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

I mean, I shouldn't have to look both ways before crossing the street if I'm crossing with the light, but I sure do.

Amen. For some reason this all reminds me of a conversation I had with my uncle last night about that Numa Numa Dance guy who is apparently too depressed to go out of the house -- but hey, guess what, man, if you put that video of yourself up on the internet, you probably did so with the intent that people would watch it, right? So now you're depressed because ... people watched it? It's just, the internet is an inherently over-exposed, public place. And you can't really have one side of the coin, the attention, without the other, the whatever-bullshit-of-the-moment. As much as it may poop, that's just the reality, unfortunately.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

You are such a level-headed boo. So refreshing.

I just made the mistake of looking at one of the threads where people are arguing directly with the frienditto people. Now my head hurts. It's so tiresome.

Who is that in your icon?

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

His name is Gackt. I'm kind of obsessed with him. But the fact that he's a ... he yet makes me feel far more Sapphic than I ought is somewhat disturbing.

He makes me horny.

Uhm I don't even know what this frienditto stuff is about! Ahahaha. So confused.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lori/430544.html gives you what you need to know.

Just DO NOT go into the threads.

Gackt, eh? But where oh where is he from? Is he in a band, is he a model, an actor, an online personality? Enquiring minds who are procrastinating about cleaning their apartment want to know!

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

Sorry about that -- I went out a'walkin'! He's a j-rockish/j-poppish (I really know very little, sadly) singer type who, if you're looking for endlessly distracting eye-candy, is entirely your man. Also I find him talented.

[misscora.livejournal.com]

Gackt is a bit of a phenom over here, along with 8,000 other idol personalities. Like Jaida said, he is pretty and pretty talented (although talented in that J-pop way, which is pretty repetitive/sappy/thing). I find him interesting mainly because you can almost never tell from looking at pictures of him that he is a 'him'. He takes being bishy to a new level.

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

I want to live in your closet ;.;

[misscora.livejournal.com]

-laugh-

This is doable, assuming you can get yourself here. The closet is where the spare futon is, anyway, so you could probably quite easily set up shop in there. We'd get a router and you could mooch off my internet access, and I could pester you to write more shoebox and original fiction and take you out for udon.

[ladyjaida.livejournal.com]

Oh my God, I want this life, when do we start? :D :D :D

[misscora.livejournal.com]

How's April looking for you? By then the maternal one will have come and gone and that's when Tine and Ina are coming to JP to do the tourist thing. -g-

Mind, you must do the getting here thing.

[nmalfoy.livejournal.com]

Clio... you always put things so well. I agree with you completely on this one, and I have to say that "palace intrigue" is perhaps the most apt term for fandom I've heard in a while.

And go you with the good phone karma.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Thanks!

Dude, the Complete 30 episode series of Top Cat is out on DVD! I am so getting it, um, eventually. This is so much cooler than the Brady Bunch.

[calloocallay.livejournal.com]

glee! *smooch*

[bookshop.livejournal.com]

Yep yep. complete agreement, here.

[malachan.livejournal.com]

People still talk about the inner circle? That was old back in 2001!

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Okay, YOU are the funniest person I've spoken to today, clearly.

People will always talk about it, you know? And yeah, it's like, none of this is particularly new.

God, when did we get so old? This would be depressing if I hadn't been carded for liquor not too long ago.

[malachan.livejournal.com]

Something tells me that so many people know about friendthingwhateveritscalled simply because everyone's saying how horrible it is and don't use it or I'll defriend you, and therefore the small minority of people who would actually use it for sinister surposes now know about it. And something tells me this is not a good thing. It's a bit like going into a crowded bar, leaving your phone on the table while you go to the bathroom, and saying in a big loud voice "OK, NO-ONE STEAL MY PHONE WHICH I'M LEAVING RIGHT HERE WHILE I GO TO THE BATHROOM! OR ELSE YOU WON'T BE MY FRIEND ANY MORE."

We are oooold. :bangs cane on floor: Why, in my day there were barely any S/R fics and they were all on fanfiction.net and you had to wade through fifteeeeeeeen abysmal efforts by 12-year-olds high on mountain dew before you could find one worth reading. 'Course, those were the days when there were only 8 BNFs and you knew who they all were, and flamewars split the fandom in two on a monthly basis, and we didn't have any of that new-fangled LJ malarkey, we were quite happy with HPfGU and FictionAlley Park!

[misscora.livejournal.com]

you had to wade through fifteeeeeeeen abysmal efforts by 12-year-olds high on mountain dew before you could find one worth reading

This has changed?

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Oh, god, those flamewars! And everyone feeling they had to take sides and strike attitudes!

Good times, good times.

There were S/R fics; they were just ghettoized on the SBRL Y!group, which itself was an odd, smiley happy place in a kind of fake way and people were always quitting dramatically over photo manips.

I only ever went to ff.net for porn, so now that they don't have it I never go there. Pop ups are so not worth it, man.

[titanic-days.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, I now have an image of people shuffling aimlessly around the Sirius/Remus ghetto - there are burned out fics on cinderblocks and David Thewlis lookalikes hawking their bodies on street corners.

[titanic-days.livejournal.com]

Once again I say; pan fried word served on a bed of succulent word, drizzled in word sauce, with a side of mashed garlic word, followed by a word sundae ... and a very acceptable Chateau Le Worde 1984 to accompany.

Sometimes I think it is a crime the UN don't employ you as some kind of conflict-buster.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

ooh, a bed of succulent word, mmmm. and that wine choice, perfection. You are very good.

Oh, you wouldn't say that if you worked with me. I get all excited and crazy about shit all the time. I have no idea why I have more perspective here; I think it's a quirk of fate. Or maybe I get crazier at work because it's all so futile and will create more work for me eventually?

[titanic-days.livejournal.com]

1984 was an exceptional year.

Eh, I think it's incumbent upon ourselves to project different versions of us in different environments, otherwise we'd go literally crazy.

[misscora.livejournal.com]

As ever, dearest, you make scads and scads of sense in a senseless ether-world. Thank you for that.

Personally, when I first heard about it I knew that a) I would be seeing 'OMG don't use it or else!' posts for a week, and b) I didn't give a flying one. I am so drama free these days, both fandom type (which has always been the case) and IRL. And it is of the good.

[jlh.livejournal.com]

It's funny how you really can choose to be drama free. You can refuse to be sucked into someone else's drama and you can not start any of your own. I just disagreed with a friend and other people tried to make all this drama out of it and we both were like, um, what? No drama here, move along.

[misscora.livejournal.com]

-nod- It is a definite choice, and possibly a skill as well. If so, it's a highly useful skill, cause, while the drama-free thing is occasionally boring, boring is far less painful than drama.

[sheryll.livejournal.com]

You always say everything so well! I've never locked a single entry on my LJ and don't foresee having occasion to. If someone wants to forward something I say to a friend, I'd very much appreciate them asking permission, but I'm not going to go all crazy about if they don't. While I have added a number of new 'friends' to my list over the past six months or so, they all seem pretty level-headed, so I don't see a need to get in an uproar over something like this.

[tartpants.livejournal.com]

I love you lately! Not that I had stopped, but lately I am just more aware of it. ;)

[jlh.livejournal.com]

Well, we are talking more lately! Also, I've been spamming.

I hope selfishly that a job will bring you closer!

[ziggy1278.livejournal.com]

DITT-O!

I need to get this job in order for that to happen, because both of us wishing for close Rene right now means she pretty much stays where she is.

[disdainty.livejournal.com]

what is frienditto :-

[jlh.livejournal.com]

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lori/430544.html tells you what you need to know.

Basically it's a way to make someone else's flocked post public without going through the hassle of screencapping and uploading it. And it's got people panicked that someone on their flist would do that. I think if you don't indiscriminately friend people you probably don't have much to worry about.

I want pictures of cats. Many pictures of cats. Also furniture.

[disdainty.livejournal.com]

that sucks. oh, fandom. T_T

OH YOU WILL GET YOUR PICTURES OF CATS. seeing as she is my baby, she is pretty much all i photograph :)) you just wait for the mega picspam coming up in a couple of days. also i will diligently photograph furniture for you! my mum just gave me my grandfather's old wood kitchen hutch and it's so beautiful. you shall see it, oh yes. b-)

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