social networking
Sep. 15th, 2008 02:43 pmSo like, you guys? There are a lot of social networking sites. And it seems to me that they're really for different things, hence people being everywhere at once, and also that we aren't saying the same things in each space because then our friends just get the same message 5 times. (With all due respect to
soupkills.) Anyway, so I was hoping to get your thoughts on these various sites in the comments, and how you use them, and all of that. Here on LJ, because these other sites don't seem to be a place to have a thought that is longer than a sentence.
[insert worry about long attention span and general inability to put a thought worth sharing in one sentence]
If you know my name, you can find me on facebook and myspace, where I'm on under my real name. I'm at twitter now too, but I'm sort of limiting that--it's a trial for now. So here are my burning questions:
This is just a start--I know I'll have more questions for you all as I go along. Thanks!
[insert worry about long attention span and general inability to put a thought worth sharing in one sentence]
If you know my name, you can find me on facebook and myspace, where I'm on under my real name. I'm at twitter now too, but I'm sort of limiting that--it's a trial for now. So here are my burning questions:
- Why do people hate the new Facebook, other than that it's new? And what are you using facebook for, other than watching other people's status updates and joining groups and playing scrabble?
- What are people using myspace for? I find the thing to always be doing a little too much all at the same time, but I am old, and beginning to reconcile myself to this fact.'
- What are people using twitter for? Is it really all "I had a ham sandwich for lunch"? Do you find that you have things to say that are only a sentence long? Do you get the alerts on your phone? What's considered "spammy"? Do you follow people who are not your friends?
- Given all these places to go, is anyone really here on LJ anymore? I find the long format to be more suited to the way I think and communicate so I think it will remain my own home base, but what are you all thinking?
This is just a start--I know I'll have more questions for you all as I go along. Thanks!
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:06 pm (UTC)2: I use Myspace mainly to keep up with musicians and bands that I like, mostly the non mainstream ones so I know if something is going on. I never use it to blog or anything.
3: I don't like Twitter, at all.
4: LJ will always be my home on the web, I love everything about it :)
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:19 pm (UTC)1. It seems to be about the wall being separated, and the applications on other tabs. I don't use the apps much, and I'm not great at the wall (I tend to comment on people's statuses more often) so I really didn't notice.
2. Me too. Though I feel I need to friend the Lohan because she's blogging up a storm over there!
3. We'll see how it goes.
4. Me too. I don't really mind our Russian overlords. I'm encouraged by their recent rule changes. And if the fandom-only blogging tool comes online I'll happily go over to it.
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:08 pm (UTC)2.) I have no idea. I have a myspace page, but I really hate the interface and thus only have like, two people friended, one of whom I pretty much avoid at all cost these days because he is still an asshat.
3.) We've discussed this, but for the record I use Twitter to facilitate my OCD. If I can get a thought out of my head by telling someone, I can be more productive, and since I don't always have someone on speed dial, Twitter it is.
4.) I'm still here! :)
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:20 pm (UTC)2. I have only C____ and Rach friended, and a couple of bands, but I never really check in over there. C made me get it because he's in a band, but then nothing ever really happened so I'm like, whatever, dude.
3. I am looking forward to seeing how to make this work for me!
4. God, and thank goodness for that!
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:12 pm (UTC)I use MySpace mostly to keep up with my music fandoms, but TBH I haven't found any decent "conversation" on individual musicians' MySpaces. So I guess I would have to go to a MySpace group to get that discussion and, frankly, I can get that discussion on LJ, the musician's official website, or Yahoogroups. I prefer LJ for talking about my own life, general observations, etc. I mean, what's the thing on MySpace that asks what you're doing, but gives you only 4 options, none of which involves reading or watching TV ;)
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:23 pm (UTC)seriously? LOL. Yeah, I don't find that musicians have all that much to say that I care about, and that's really okay, because they give me music and that's enough!
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:27 pm (UTC)I like Facebook 'cause a lot of my old friends are there. It's a nice way to keep up with people you used to know.
I like Twitter 'cause these days I have a lot of random thoughts I want to put somewhere, but they are too trivial for and LJ posting. Less pressure to respond, too!
Still, I like LJ best. It's the best, I feel, for really getting to know what people are about! Provided they actually use it, that is. :)
As far as spam: I HATE when people import their daily Tweets onto LJ and Facebook! Hate hate hate.
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:49 pm (UTC)It is seriously my new pet peeve. Tweets that are @someone make NO SENSE to anyone else so why put them on your LJ and your Facebook? They are not all the same thing!
Finding old friends seems to be what people are grooving on facebook for, and a lot of the younger folks seem to have moved from myspace to facebook when they could, though the musicians are entrenched. My BFF is in a band, so he's the one who made me get the myspace.
I usually share random thoughts in a chat, but maybe I'll do less of that and more twitter in future!
I adore LJ, I really do. I like being able to see people's art on it.
Oh! I should have put deviantart on here, I'm on it but I have no idea how to use it like, at all. I find it very unweildy and confusing.
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:27 pm (UTC)2. I think Jason Castro uses his to share his music. :D
3. I always see twitter posts, but have never listened to them.
4. Unsurprisingly, I do not care for social networking, so I haven't bothered with Facebook or myspace or twitter or whatever. I've visited them (except twitter) and I think I even have a myspace profile, but all I know about them is that they're blogging places with some differences from LJ that I don't actually care to take advantage of. Um.
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Date: 2008-09-15 09:47 pm (UTC)2. Yeah, it's just following bands apparently.
4. That's what I've been feeling. There are friends that are on one or the other, mostly "rl" friends on Facebook v "fandom" friends on LJ.
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:42 pm (UTC)3. I like Twitter because I find that most of the time I DO just have a few words to say about things. I admit I'd become frustrated with blogging/LJ because I've been too busy to write real entries and I'd just want to grumble briefly about my morning commute, which never seemed to merit an entire blog post. Yes, this is the lazy woman's way out, I admit it. But lazyness and inanity aside, Twitter's 140-character constraint encourages (some) people to construct their thoughts in a tight and often very witty voice. Snark and one-liners galore! Yes, it's still inane, but it's pithy and fun inanity.
4. Even though I don't post very much, LJ is still my favorite way to keep up with people. When people post entries here it definitely has more weight and content than a few lines on Twitter or Facebook. It's not obsolete... we're just busy!
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Date: 2008-09-15 09:50 pm (UTC)3. I can see that Twitter is sort of, blogging for people who don't have enough to say for a blog. My thoughts end up being sort of long because I like to let them coalesce? But I'm thinking about Twitter more now.
4. LJ is definitely, though, my favorite because it's so interactive and to me seems more social than the others, actually!
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:50 pm (UTC)2. Uhhh I don't use myspace. I didn't realize anyone still did, all my friends left en masse about midway through our senior year of high school (ie Dec 06-Jan 07) for facebook.
3. Twitter I simply do not understand. Seriously.
4. Stay on LJ!! My LJ is the only place my fandom self is online - I use facebook for rl friends and LJ for online stuff, so I strongly encourage everyone to stay on LJ because it's definitely the only place anyone will find me (for fandom purposes).
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Date: 2008-09-15 09:52 pm (UTC)2. A friend in a band made me sign up, but then his band never updated, so I was like, what's up with that?
4. I'm totally staying! It just seemed (before this post, obv) that people weren't really around. But that may be part summer, and part that this season of PR is really boring people.
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:50 pm (UTC)2. I use myspace to check calendars for musicians I follow, and that's about it. I was never a fan, and once all my friends over there migrated to FB I was happy.
3. Don't use twitter. I'm on IM all day and can express those thoughts and experiences to someone I'm online with.
4. I don't post as much on LJ because it's often easier to do a quick update on FB or just talk to people directly, but I read every post on my filtered friends page, and actually comment from time to time!
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Date: 2008-09-15 09:54 pm (UTC)2. I hear, yes, that there was some sort of mass migration to FB from myspace. Hurrah, seriously.
3. This is what I do now! So I'm not sure about really broadcasting those thoughts, particularly in a manner in which people do not usually respond.
4. You do comment, it's true. LJ is not for the quick, and I think it's a bit much for some people; it isn't the way they want to interact with the universe. Which is seriously fine, I think. But the whole, allow me to use all social networking spaces in the same manner doesn't seem to work, at least to me.
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:54 pm (UTC)And for the record, I am another who does not hate the new FB interface. *shrug*
2) MySpace: I loathe MySpace. I initially signed up there when I found out some of my cousins had accounts, but once I realized they were on FB, too, I pretty much abandoned it. I even set my status to redirect family & HS friends to FB if they really wanted to know what was going on with me. I login maybe once every 2-4 months.
3) Twitter: It's a way to make quick rants and keep in touch with my SO during the work day without using an actual chat client. I do not consider Twitter posts on LJ to be spammy; I do consider people who take up +90% of my twitter page to be spammy. And I'll admit that sometimes, I just like the challenge of trying to fit a complete thought into 140 characters s:)
All that said, I originally signed up for Twitter just to log food and water during the day. Then all my friends joined, and that was the end of that.
4) I had some personal internal stuff going on over the summer that I wasn't comfortable posting about at all. But I am trying to make more, and more substantial, posts again. I don't plan on abandoning LJ anytime soon, unless TPTB really screw things up and force me to go get a WordPress blog. But that would make life...difficult, to say the least. I like LJ, I like how it works. I just need to re-discipline myself into actually recording things here instead of depending on Twitter posts to keep track of what's going on.
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Date: 2008-09-15 09:56 pm (UTC)2. It's really, really noisy, not just aurally but visually, and seemingly only for noise's sake, not to any real end.
3. I find that twitter posts on LJ just really don't work somehow. The tweets @ someone else just have no context at all. LJ isn't really a place for the quick shot, and they always seem to be a bit out of context. I demand context.
4. Ugh, wordpress. No thank you.
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Date: 2008-09-15 07:58 pm (UTC)I was introducted to social networking (read: LiveJournal) via fandom and know that none of my real life friends or family are into that sort of thing. At one point, I considered setting up a blog for family and RL friends, but I'm not convinced anyone would take the time to read it. Most of them are still at the let's-forward-every-junk-email-we-can stage.
I'm of the same mind with Twitter. I don't have an account and don't follow anyone else's. And I don't mind if people post them to LJ (though I can never understand why they post what are sometimes responses to someone else's Tweets - it's no fun to read one side of a two sided conversation).
I prefer the format, structure, and nature of the interaction at LiveJournal (and it's copycats - I have accounts at JF and IJ).
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:00 pm (UTC)For me, twitter is very useful when I'm at a con, or trying to meet up with someone, because it lets people who are actually IRL looking for me know where I am. I'll be using it a lot next week at eyecon and it'll bore anyone who either isn't there, or who isn't interested in Supernatural, to tears.
I avoid everyone I went to law school with. No interest in them.
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:04 pm (UTC)I use FB secondarily, but mostly for keeping up with RL, non-fandom friends. I don't post there, really, just read and occasionally comment on other people's pages.
MySpace could FOAD for all I care. Yes, I have an account, but I never use it. Couldn't even tell you the last time I signed on.
And I totally don't get Twitter. When other people post using it I skip on by. I have no idea what they're talking about given that there is NO context for any of the statements, and frankly, I don't care. If it's interesting enough to share, can it not wait until you have time to write about it properly?
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Date: 2008-09-15 10:04 pm (UTC)FB is really for me to keep up with high school and college friends that used to only get an xmas card, but who I do like and want to see what's up with them.
I'm never on myspace. Seriously.
and I am NOT leaving LJ anytime soon! LJ is my main man!
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:33 pm (UTC)Mostly I'm on these different sites to keep track of/communicate with the people who are on these different sites. I should look into friendfeed, which is supposed to help with this. It's the same reason I have IM accounts on the different networks.
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Date: 2008-09-15 10:10 pm (UTC)I think the problem with tweets as an LJ feed is that they don't make any sense, because they show up entirely without context. In an interlocked pile of all the tweets from other people they make more sense, but on their own as an LJ entry they just seem to float there, especially the "@friend" tweets which of course make no sense whatsoever. But I'm a whore for context and interaction; I don't like it when people send me a link without telling me what it is, and I want to be able to respond to what someone is saying without feeling kind of lame for taking them seriously, if that makes sense? I feel like if Twitter is a place to find out what people are doing, LJ is a place to find out what people are thinking, so the tweets seem not only frustratingly short, but also ephemeral--do you care what I have to say about a fleeting thought you had 6 hours ago? Probably not.
But I think the tweets live very nicely as FB statuses. For me, I like the idea of using the different networks in different ways, rather than bending, say, FB to my LJ needs.
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Date: 2008-09-15 08:52 pm (UTC)2. I originally signed up for myspace to stalk some guy I liked at work - incredibly mature, yes yes. Then he found it and friended me so I had to make some other friends to show that I wasn't a creepy stalker. I don't really use it for personal things and I don't send many messages on it (though I should, everyone else messages me), but I do find it helpful for getting the newest info on my favorite music artists.
4. I use LJ the most for everything - the way I see it, Facebook and Myspace are profile networking sites, where you can friend someone's profile and gain information on a one-time basis, or sporadically updated basis. LJ is more about the daily life, it's much more personal if you want it to be, and the journals and communities lend better to group discussion and communication than the groups on Myspace and Facebook. Plus I keep my Facebook profile fandom-free, apart from friends I made through fandom, and Myspace I just don't care enough. LJ is my personal place, it's my fandom place, it's my every place.
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Date: 2008-09-15 10:14 pm (UTC)I really like poking people, I'll admit that. All the rest of the apps I don't really care about that much. Oh, and sending people good karma.
2. HA. I am never there, and I need to find and link to more artists, but I find the seach function to be basically shitty. I had to keep looking up artists online someplace else, and finding the link to their myspace.
4. That is such an excellent way to look at it. I think that while Twitter is about what people are doing, LJ is about what people are thinking. Some folks are a little intimidated by the long form, but I'm more intimidated by the short form of tweets to be honest. But yeah, FB seems to be more about posting a profile than really interacting in real time, which is what I want from a social networking site. *hugs LJ*
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Date: 2008-09-15 09:21 pm (UTC)Twitter mystifies me. I sort of hate the Twitter updates on LJ. I pretty much skip them. I am tempted to make a fake twitter account and sum up the lives of famous people using it.
Descartes
5:00am got up and taught the Queen of Sweeden algebra
6:34am thought about new way to solve four line locus problem
7:15am freezing to death is this unheated castle
9:13am developed lung infection
10:34am thought about God some more
11:56am dead
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Date: 2008-09-15 11:04 pm (UTC)2. I never bothered with myspace. It never appealed to me even as a way to waste time while temping. Also, most companies I have temped for tend to firewall myspace.
3. I don't twitter. I don't really understand twitter. It drives me crazy when I see twitter messages that are @friend on LJ or FB. I have no idea what the conversation is and therefor don't care.
4. LJ is still my favorite place. I prefer reading complete thoughts and I don't mind my friends' rants. When I'm bored at work, memes entertain me and get my brain working. At the moment, like you, I'm a little overwhelmed by the political rants. Most of my friends' lives have gotten crazy lately and they don't post as much now. While I miss their sillier posts, they tend to update with more important stuff and I feel a bit more connected with them.
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Date: 2008-09-15 11:48 pm (UTC)2. Yeah, I so wouldn't be there if C hadn't made me.
3. I find it interesting that this entry has tapped into a sea of annoyance at the twitter LJ feed! I feel that they are not entries, and make no sense, and when folks forgo making entries for twitter—when they consider tweets as good an update as an entry—I get irritable, because it really isn't what I want to hear from people, this sort of stream of consciousness. I don't care that you took a walk this morning. I care that you had a weird conversation with your brother and you're rethinking your love for James Joyce, or whatever.
4. That's it, complete thoughts! And a sense of connection! Totally!
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Date: 2008-09-15 11:12 pm (UTC)2. I don't use myspace personally - I do visit some for bands and such, but then sometimes I get annoyed by the amount of time it takes to load the page (I still have dial-up at home and work blocks it now though even at work it used to take forever to load on high speed).
3. I don't use twitter as I don't have text messaging enabled - it just doesn't make sense for me at least, as I can't bring my cell phone into work anyway so it's better to leave me a message or send me an e-mail. I'm of mixed opinions about seeing Twitter posts to LJ -- on the one hand, if it's so people can update about their day and all, and they don't normally post to LJ, that's good to see how they are doing. On the other hand, as others above had said, it's like following one-side of a conversation which just gets confusing and then I tend to skip them over.
4. LJ is the place for me - I am going to make the most out of the permanent account I have (I forgot how long I have to use it to know I've got my money's worth) and most of my flist it seems, even if they use facebook/myspace/twitter, are still here on LJ. :D
I also am not motivated really to keep a facebook/myspace/twitter and an LJ account up to date. I hardly have time to post and follow my flist as is - I don't really have time to split among facebook/myspace/twitter.
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Date: 2008-09-16 02:22 am (UTC)2. So much load time! It's insane.
3. I do not want twitter texting my phone. Like, at all. I worry that real texts will get lost in the morass. I need to explore Twitter further to work out what I want to do with it, though.
4. I am also permanent! And yes, even though there are people here who are also elsewhere, they haven't really "left". The consensus among those who use more than one software is that they are each good for different uses, which makes a lot of sense to me.
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Date: 2008-09-15 11:17 pm (UTC)I rarely use myspace. I HATE the layout. It is too much stimulation. Some of my friends don't have facebook, or just use myspace more. Some people put things on myspace that do not go on facebook! I also can casually lookup people that I may not want to talk to, but want to know what is going on with their life. For example, I used to check my ex-boyfriend's myspace for months after we broke up. I was very fond of his family, and wanted to see how they were. I also was curious to see if he was seeing anyone. Now, I don't do that anymore. I've gotten over that phase. :)
I don't use twitter. It seems to me like an extension of the facebook status. I hardly ever update that, so another website that is all about status updates is useless to me.
I love livejournal! I love the longer format of a blog. I like being able to (easily) control who can view my content. Also, I do not have to provide a lot of personal information to get started. I don't purposefully hide my LJ. However, it is not associated with my real name, so there is a higher level of privacy.
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Date: 2008-09-16 02:25 am (UTC)I'm trying to probe the difference between FB status and Twitter; some commenters say there is one. I haven't seen it, but then, I know several people who broadcast the same thing to both.
My LJ is not my real name either, though I do have my name registered. It's fannish, it's media, it's fic, it's all of that. And I love the long format. I worry that the short and ephemeral nature of twitter will flummox me. But I'm going to give it a try!
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Date: 2008-09-16 12:14 am (UTC)The popular conception of Twitter as "what you had for lunch" is not entirely correct. It depends on Twit-er. I like to use it as a microblog, just summing up bits of my day (and you'd be surprised how much 140 characters is, and the fun challenge of phrasing the thought in just that amount). But there are people who use it for a series of one-liners, or to vent their thoughts, or to update people on their products/services. The tech community has jumped on it to a huge degree, for instance.
But you also get fascinating things like Fake Sarah Palin (http://twitter.com/fakesarahpalin), or Fake John McCain (parodies of Barack Obama, I suppose, who is on Twitter and does post), where they both mock the candidates and post good links to news stories. It's grown beyond the "what are you doing?" question, I think, into it's own little microcosm.
This isn't to say the LoudTwitter feeds to LJ aren't annoying. And people HAVE the option of turning off those @ replies, so I don't see WHY they do it. I get the LoudTwitter thing--it's nice to archive--but yeah, those make no sense. Also, without the sense of community that goes with it, Twitter just appears more confusing and opaque than it already is.
Also, yes, you can SMS to it, and you can get updates from specific people as SMSes--you get an alert when someone's posted something new.
*^^* Pardon the long response, but I seriously adore Twitter. It's got a lot of interesting people saying some very interesting things, and it's fun to have a place to put those random thoughts of the day. Not to mention what I had for breakfast. :)
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Date: 2008-09-16 01:35 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2008-09-16 02:11 am (UTC)I think my thinky-thoughts will still be 99% LJ. And I've also got my real name as an LJ for when I'm ready to blog about my academic career. LJ just feels like a good place for what I do most of the time.
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Date: 2008-09-16 01:43 am (UTC)But mostly I am on LJ because I agree... it fits the way I think and communicate. I'll be here.
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Date: 2008-09-16 02:14 am (UTC)But yeah, LJ is the best fit for how I personally want to communicate with people. Absolutely.
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Date: 2008-09-16 01:45 am (UTC)I'm on LinkedIn, but that's for professional purposes (not that I've used it much), and while I have a Google Profile, that's not really the same thing as walled networking sites. Anyone else who wants to get in touch with me can figure out a way. :-D
EDIT: And the other reason why I'm not into most profile-type sites (FB, MySpace, etc) is because I'm content-centric in my online experience, and LJ handles that much better.
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Date: 2008-09-16 02:28 am (UTC)My LJ flist, though, is definitely manageable!
It's interesting how much people are saying, those other sites are good for different things, and even the people who love Twitter hate the LoudTwitter LJ posts. I feel better about disliking them now.
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Date: 2008-09-16 04:29 am (UTC)Twitter I really like these days, actually. I do follow a handful of people I don't actually know (Will Wheton is my geekish overlord, and an astronomy blogger, for one), but mostly I use it for the random thoughts which don't really seem to merit a full LJ post. Particularly when I'm out and about. I don't have it alert my phone but I do post from my phone, so whenever I have a little thought which merits (to lesser or greater degree) sharing I just txt it there, since I don't have many people in the states to txt with.
But I'm so not leaving LJ. LJ is home.
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Date: 2008-09-16 11:53 am (UTC)I guess I'm not sure I have random thoughts that make sense out of context, and so I worry about everyone dropping me on twitter before I even start because of that!
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Date: 2008-09-16 07:49 am (UTC)2) I don't use MySpace. I hate MySpace.
3) I don't use Twitter. I find Twitters appearing on my Friends page annoys the hell out of me, and makes me filter that user off my standard reading filter, because it's normally all "I had a ham sandwich for lunch" aaaaaaaaand I don't need to know.
4) I'm on LJ! I hate social networking sites.
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Date: 2008-09-17 04:42 pm (UTC)Oh social networking sites, how ambivalent I am about you.
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